Quickie About Cyrus

So it has recently been brought to my attention that I am tragically misunderstood.

Our dear, fearless leaders, Mr. Testa and Mr. Johansson mentioned to me today that some of the seemingly caustic remarks that I make on this blog could be interpreted by others as being (gasp) mean-spirited.

I would like to take a moment to apologize officially if I personally offended any of you. However, in the future, please take all my comments with a grain of salt. Many of the suggestions that I make are pertinent and could actually be used constructively. My remarks, dripping with sarcasm, are merely intended to lighten up the concept of correcting my peers. As a blossoming young-adult, you should have a thicker skin than I should be able to penetrate with my tomfoolery.

Thank you for your patience. In the future, please keep this conveniently in the back of your mind.

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Biking in the Valley

Leading my group was definitely a troubling experience. I ended up with several of the girls that were friends with Cyrus' group, , but they kinda ended up mixing together along the way. Anyway, I can not for the life of me figure out why those girls were there in the first place. I had one person have to stop and walk her bike for a short while about 3 miles into the trip.

None of them seemed to realize that they would actually have to be biking on this bike trip, let alone for thirteen miles. They all seemed to be under the impression that their bikes would just pedal themselves the whole way, and that they would have no problem getting on the internet on their phone and doing god knows what in the middle of the ride. The culprit in that particular incident ended up crashing into one of her friends, who proceeded to bleed from the leg and scream loudly. They refused to follow simple instructions that would do nothing but benefit them and the other users of the towpath.

A simple request like "keep it single file so you don't hit anyone coming the other way" was met with one particularly funny girl who shall remain nameless weaving all over the path just to spite the little authority I was attempting to gain over the situation. She crashed. I must admit that I was not unhappy to see her go down at that point, but I digress.

Overall, after the group was thinned down to the few that actually cared, the trip was very nice. The scenery was really cool when I had finally gotten the chance to notice it, instead of trying to get my group to follow simple instructions all day.

I would definitely do it again, because it was a really cool experience, but I would have to ask that I be with a group with a collective IQ of over 65. Fun times.

Valley Bike Ride

Biking through the valley was a fun experience, and being a group leader made me look at it a bit differently than I might have otherwise. I recognized some of the things I had read about in the pamphlet, though I sometimes couldn't remember everything I wanted to, which was frustrating.

I was in a very small group, so keeping everyone together wasn't really an issue...

Biking through the valley was very different than on foot for a few reasons. First, you obviously get a different perspective of things, and I felt I couldn't enjoy the beauty quite as much as I would've liked because we were going quickly on the trail (it was such a pretty day, though!).

Ride Through the Valley

Lienne Sethna's Journal Response

Leading my group on the bike trip was a fun experience. For the most part, they listened and followed directions well. I had them stop at every sign and had different members in my group take turns reading them and shared some of the information I had concerning what was just read. Some were faster riders than others and I think that was frustrating for them to have to keep waiting for the slower ones to catch up.

Since I had a rather large group of 8, it was harder for us all to stay together so some in the group went ahead and some were behind. I didn't really learn anything more about Cuyohoga Valley on the trip but the readings that were given supplemented my knowledge of the area and helped me educate the members in my group.

I enjoyed leading my group on the towpath and I hope that they all learned more about Cuyohoga Valley.

Fun on the Towpath

I thoroughly enjoyed the bike ride through the valley. I say to myself all the time how nice it would be to got take a bike ride, but I never get around to it. I don't know why but I do know that I will get around to it now.

At the bike ride having the opportunity to be in charge of a group was a fun experience. I can't speak for everyone but I had a blast with my my group. They made the day fun and not just another extra credit assignment. Lucky enough for me they were willing to work and they didn't complain at all.

Having prepared ahead of time by reading the maps increased my ability to convey information to my group. The Towpath Companion books we received are a phenomenal tool. They break down all of the different paths in the Akron area.

To sum up the whole experience it was a fun day and I enjoyed it a lot. I would do it again in a heartbeat. Thanks to my group for making it fun and also to Mr. King who was a great adult to have with our group.

Bike Ride

My group was originally supposed to be combined with Cyrus's and Jeff's, but a couple of people decided they didn't want to stay with them. So we split up.

My group worked very well, I tried to tell them as much as possible, sometimes they didn't want to listen. I feel I had control over my group but wasn't as good of a teacher as I could've been. I liked being able to learn on something as simple as a bike ride.

Also, I loved the burn in my calfs for the rest of the day

Blogged by Evan

Stan Hywet/ Hale Farm

Touring Stan Hywet seemed so much different than just going through the gardens. Outside it was more beautification and inside was wealth. Which the family was very wealthy for their time. Time seemed so relaxed than. Now society is just about wealth, obviously the Seiberlings lived the best. They weren't very showy though. Also, families were huge back then. Families were big so most families could run things like a farm on their own.
Hale farm has decreased in size since it first was established and is still now, huge. The workers and family definably put a lot a work towards it. It was cool to see how people could rein act that. Our actor that we interviewed told our group so much about sour kraut that I didn't know that there was that much history.
Overall it was a great learning experience and should definitely be kept on the Valley voyages list of trips.

Blogged by Evan

Biking in the Valley

The bike ride was fun and good exercise. I thought it was easier to read up on the places in the guide beforehand because then I knew where I was going and could tell what different ares were (the place with the beavers and szalay's). I thought the timing was a little off and everybody got behind so it felt really rushed. Being a leader, I could help with the questions and get the other bike riders to look at their surroundings and read the signs. Taking pictures was really fun and the path was really pretty. Overall, it was something I would do again but would like to spend more time on.

Good Day

I thought the day was very nice...things ran a tad longer than I think was expected, but over all I thought our students were very involved in the day and appreciated the ride and the opportunity to do something a little bit different.
Kudos to all the students on trip...I think you all impressed other adults we came across during the day, thank you for representing Nordonia well.

Loman

Exciting Day in the Valley

My bike ride was very interesting. Leading a group was very fun. I do have excellent leadership skills. I was in student council at my old school and i am in charge of leadership council at Nordonia. I had a group of seven people. Most of which were my friends. For the most part they were well behaved. Before my group set off the one big thing i told them was to listen to me and to stick together.

The first few stops went very smoothly. My group did read the readings and they were very enthusiastic. the only thing with my group was the fact that they like to ride really fast. I knew that by the end of the trip they were going to be dead tired. At one point in our adventure we noticed this older gentleman following us and stopping with us. I called Mr. Testa to explain to him that we had a follower. At the time i did not know but a student later informed me that he was Mr. Testa's dad.

My group had a very high volume of energy so getting them to do stuff was not very hard. Also my group liked exploring to which was very cool because I was able to take a lot of interesting pictures.
This bike trip was a great way to learn about the valley. My group did have to do some questions but they enjoyed it. I also had a lot of questions about Valley Voyages and a lot of people seemed interested in joining next year. Overall the ride through the valley was a fun and educational filled day.

Ching Ching!

---Ashley Costello---

I thought it was fun to lead my team. I was very lucky to have a group of my well behaved friends. Also, I had an adult on my trip, so it was pretty cool being in charge of someone a lot older than me. The whole leader thing was strange at first though, since I normally seem to be a follower but in the end I enjoyed it.

I tried to keep the learning portion of the bike trip fun and interesting. Not only did I have my group stop and read off the little informational boards along the path, but I also pointed out some other facts that I knew personally. Of course though, this could only go so far and my group was starting to become, well, sleepy. Since we needed to stop anyways, and I needed to wake them up a bit...as we were getting closer to one of the locks I yelled “Car!” which in turn caused everyone to break and look around frantically. I laughed and said “Okay, so there isn’t a car here in the middle of the woods, but there is another lock!” Cheers to their good senses of humor!

I think the idea of learning about the valley by taking the small bike trip was very interesting. Not only were we able to get some fresh air and bike in some great weather (unlike sitting in school where every hallway has its own climate and take notes all day…) it was a fun way to learn. Also, everyone got to learn or better their leadership skills and got the chance to share our valley voyages experience and spread knowledge to others.

Ride Through the Valley

-- Cyrus Sethna --

What was it like to be a team leader? First let me start of by stating that I have been a class officer for the last two years and I have been a member of Leadership Council for my entire High School Career. I would consider myself to be quite well-versed with the ropes of High School leadership.

I am sure that there were some very successful groups and leaders that were able to make a very positive impact on their constituents. However, the group that I was designated to lead consisted of some of the most unintelligent people that I have ever had the misfortune to meet. The sole reason that they chose to come on this trip was for the extra-credit points promised to them by their mysteriously absent teacher. These individuals needed the extra-credit because they are inherently lazy and incapable of keeping up with regular class work.

I was almost entirely unable to convey any "expertise" to my group due to their lack of motivation and drive to do anything for themselves. I rarely lose my temper, and I found myself doing so on a number of occasions throughout the ride. This was really the only way that I was able to get through to this giggling gaggle of girls.

This was a horrible experience for me as a quality student. I came expecting to be able to better myself and learn something. However, I was dumped with the task of educating students, some of whose teachers completely failed to show up and take responsibility for. They certainly did not have the desire to learn, and I was completely unable to make any sort of impact on them.

I do not have time for other people's nonsense. I enroll in classes to make myself a better person, not to make sure that everyone else is too. It is my responsibility as a leader to help my fellow students, not to babysit them.

Stan Hywet and Hale Farm

I think the experience of learning from a first person historic interpreter was a very interesting experience, and I think I prefer it to a historical tour guide. With a first person historic interpreter, you see things more from the point of view that they people of the time saw them, which makes the experience much more genuine. A historical tour guide simply presents the facts in the same manner that a textbook would, instead of a real-life account of what actually would be going on.

Despite my preference for a first person historic interpreter, I believe that the method of self-discovery is a very good way to learn about places like Stan Hywet. It allows us to explore places that may or may not be covered on the tour, and draw our own conclusions from what we see, which I think is an excellent learning method.

The 21st century is not exactly hard to miss in a place like Stan Hywet, with the computers, fire alarms, and fire extinguishers sitting around in random places, and Hale farm has the obvious gift shop. I believe I would be most comfortable living around the time of the Stan Hywet recreation, since I am very reliant on modern conveniences, and Stan Hywet seemed to have a significantly larger amount of these than Hale Farm. In my opinion, not much is really worse now than back then. Technology has only benefited us, and we don't exactly have any more or less problems, just different ones. Things like medical care would be an obvious downside to living back then.

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Props to Lienne!

I must admit that I was extremely pleased with Lienne's leadership skills during the bike ride last Friday. She did an excellent job, as our youngest member, of keeping track of her group, making sure they stayed on track, and kept track of time. Well done!

Stan Hywet-Hale Farm Journal

(Yeah, this took me a while to get up...sorry...plus, I'm warning you now, this is pretty long)

So overall, I really liked the whole day, and actually THINKING about the different historic interpretation styles was an interesting idea. I think they were both good, each with their strong and weak points. With a tour guide, like at Stan Hywet, you learn a little less about more, but with a person acting as though they're from the 1830s, you get to learn more about less, you know? Like with Stan Hywet, you learn kind of an overview about the house and the servants and such, but with Hale Farm, you learn everything there is to know about candle making. Personally, I enjoyed the interpretation at Hale Farm better because it seems like they can really get into it and enjoy what they're doing (and, I'm not gonna lie, the costumes look fun! haha), but with Stan Hywet, one would think the tour would get boring after a while...just saying the same thing over and over and over for ten years or however long the guy had been doing it.

I also liked Hale Farm better in that we could go wherever we wanted and just explore...that sense of freedom is nice. Stan Hywet was nice as a tour, but if you wanted to stay longer in one place or shorter in another, you couldn't really do that.

I also liked the fact that Hale Farm was totally 21st-century item free. We would go into the offices and whatnot of the mansion, and the guy would be like, "Here's where the head maid" (or whatever she was) "would stay and she kept thus and such in these cabinets," and you didn't really get the real feel of the room due to the computer sitting on the desk. I know the Seiberlings were ahead of their times and everything, but come on..!

Overall, I definitely would've been more comfortable to live on a farm. As much as I love old houses, I wouldn't want to manage one. I like the cozy down-home feel of a farm. Though perhaps I would like being a servant in a huge mansion, because although you have to work hard every single day, you'd probably get to gossip about the owners and their friends quite a bit (wow, that sounds pretty shallow, doesn't it? But come on! You can bet the lifestyles were pretty interesting and talk-about-able!).

I think that people back then were probably a bit more down-to-earth than people now because they didn't have internet and such, so they had to rely on each other for entertainment. Things that are worse would probably include hygiene, medical care, and obviously transportation.

I think this trip was the best so far in my opinion. the only reason i think this is because i have always enjoyed the experience of going to Hale farm and i have never gone to Stan Hywett before.
What i thought was really cool was when we got to interview the people in hale farm because some of the workers there were really into there jobs there in the farm like the lady that was at the Goldsmith house she was really cool. and going to Stan Hywett was a great experience for me because i learned about how people live back then in a hands on way and i got to travel through a wonderful home with all there newer age tech. hidden and stashed away. over i had a wonderful time it was great!!!!

but even though that i got to feel a little of what its like living back then i would definitely prefer to stay in this peiriod of time.

Stan Hywet and Hale Farm

The difference between the interpreter and the guide had a lot to do with how much I enjoyed each experience. At Stan Hywet, the guide showed us the past of the house and gave us facts and information on how life was in that time period, which was a lot more innovative than Hale Farm because of the greater span of technology emerging. At Hale farm, the interpreters made us live the experience and all of the people there were really enthusiastic and detailed about the lives they were interpreting. The time period at Hale farm was more friendly and comfortable. I think that might have to do with understanding the way they lived back then better than at Stan Hywet. I would prefer living in that time period because I felt like I understood it better after hearing the interpreters and it was a lot more plain and simple.
Modern technology somewhat interfered in Stan Hywet. Even though the guide told us not to pay attention to the desk and computer, it was hard to not notice. Also, he mentioned that a good portion of the items like vases were donated and not part of the original house. This also might be true of Hale Farm. Hale Farm, though, had less impact from modern technology.
I really enjoyed this trip but I would have preferred more time at both places, especially outside at Stan Hywet. We spent most of the time inside, which could be done in winter when it would be good to be inside, but while the weather is nice I like to be outside. I had never been to Hale Farm before and really enjoyed it.

Reflection of Stan Hywett and Hale Farm

I enjoyed this trip i just wish that we had more time at both places, but it was still fun either way. I think first off that learning with the first person interpreter gave us all more of an inside of the history rather than just the straight facts. This is a much better way to teach things.
I liked the tour a lot for the house but i do think it would have been interesting to go through ourselves first and then with a tour guide. The one thing i will say is that it was neat to be able to go through all of the little rooms that the people not on the tour could not go into. Seeing how that wealthy family lived in the early 1900s i have realized that though many things have changed, some still have not. Many business people nowadays still buy big houses and second homes to impress others. The one thing that is different now though is that people didn't need to see how everything in the house happened, as we saw many of the modern conveniences were tucked away so the guests would not see them. I still though would much rather live in our era now where i can wash and dry my clothes in a machine that is not bigger than my living room. One other disadvantage of the homes was having to store and process all of their own drinking water, something we take for grant it everyday. The one thing that was much better about those times though is sometimes things (at least as we see them) were much simplified as in the way they lived.
Overall I thoroughly enjoyed the day and i can't wait for next time.

Stan Hywett & Hale Farm

-- Cyrus Sethna --

I just stole the idea of the name thing from Ashley, but somehow I don't think that she'll mind.

A historic interpreter and a tour guide both serve the same purpose, but work towards the common goal with different methods. I felt that at Stan Hywet (hereafter referred to as SH) we were shown around by a tour guide (despite his claim that he was an interpreter) and at Hale Farm (henceforth referred to as HF) we encountered Historic Interpreters.

At SH, the guide that we had simply showed us around the place and told us about what we were looking at. Once in the attic, he tried to do some acting, but I saw that as a rather poor attempt to mimick historical figures.

At HF, the majority of the persons that we encountered (save for the saurkraut fellow) were historic interpreters. The best kind were the sort that dressed their part and were able to perform the tasks that they would have historically. There were a few that felt it was necessary to talk in funny voices and speak in a provincial manner, but I found that they had to try too hard to do it and it detracted from the overall experience. However, I felt that these people all meet the requirements to be a "historic interpreter" because they are actually doing some interpreting of history (each interpreter had to properly understand their trade and how what they would have done would contribute to the society of the past).

With a tour guide, one gets a straightforward presentation of the facts as we received at SH. They tell you what it was like, what things were for, and how things were used. You use your brain and store the information, much as I do in class.

When one encounters an interpreter, one can see firsthand exactly what the person is talking about, and it has a much different effect. I feel that it helps some people (like myself) better understand what they are learning, and for others it probably doesn't make much of a difference.

A self-guided tour should have almost the same impact on a visitor as a guided tour, provided that the visitor is not a dolt and the tour guide knows what he or she is doing. If the visitor can read, think for itself, and has a fair pre-existing understanding of what it is looking at, then I think that this visitor would do just fine on a self-guided tour and might, in fact be slightly bored on a guided tour. There are always advantages to going on a tour with a guide however. A visitor cannot know everything and is bound to have some questions that he or she cannot answer on her own. On the other hand, this issue could be resolved with knowledgeable visitor service aids or docents.

I think I would prefer to live in the past provided that I was capital as opposed to labor. I could exploit my workers and profit immensely from the fruits of their labors. I could build a huge house where I could scare my wife without fear of her recourse and have affairs with other women and beat them all liberally.

Through the Gates of Time

--Ashley Costello--

Taking a walk back in time is always a pleaser, whether self-guided by or others. Although imposed on by the current century, the way of life in each time period is unique and beautiful in its own way.

Both programmed and self-guided tours have their pros and cons. While taking a programmed tour, you are usually only shown a certain part of the history. Also, while much information is being thrown at you it is imperative to follow the group instead of taking the desired time to observe and fascinate on the past. However, the detailed information that is given to you by the tour guide is shared in an organized manner and will provide you with more facts about the things around you. Independence is one of the key factors when it comes to a self-guided tour. Although you are getting much less information, you will get the needed answers for the questions you have. In addition, you may go on your tour in a style that is easy to understand and organized to yourself and may stray and observe for any length of time. Where you go to get your fill of history may decide which option is the better.

Whichever historical place you go to there will always be some form of invasion from the current century. An example might be Stan Hywet. Some of the landscape had been changed and other things added onto the property, dimming the brightness of its authenticity. Also, other than the fact that the building style was that of an Old English manor, it seemed to be too restored and new looking. Everything was in pristine condition, the walls and paneling all darkened and the floor’s shiny and polished. The extensive restoration took away from the building’s historic charm.

There is quite a difference in the standard of living enjoyed by the residents of Stan Hywet as opposed to Hale Farm and village. Hale Farm was a small, spread out town with a tight nit community. They lived in hard times where they depended on their crops, livestock and small jobs to eat and keep a roof over their heads. Unlike the people at Stan Hywet, the town’s folk in Hale Farm had no running water, no electricity and no servants. They had little time to work out, go bowling, or play a game of basketball, even if that did exists back in their time. The Seiberling family had a more lavished life compared to the town’s people of Hale Farm.

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I didn't like the Stan-Hewet tour as much as I did the Hale Farms deal. The preplanned tour was... kinda boring. And had too small a space for so many people. I got a little claustrophobic. Although I did learn some pretty cool stuff, it just wasn't as fun. Now, the self-guided tour was interesting. But still, we ended up getting stalked by a guide and it felt like preplanned tour all over again.

The 21century imposed itself in a little, and in a lot of ways. The Stan-Hewet tour hit 21 century with all the modern fire alarms, light bulbs, and other glass cased stuff I'm pretty sure wasn't in the original designs. Hale farms was a lot less prevelant, though, still sort of there in regards to how some of the people acted and spoke. One girl was pretty into it in the vocals while cutting bandages for the soldiers.

Honestly, I can't say I preferred either place more. I liked the old down home style of the farm, and I liked the intricacies of the house. I'd probably pick the farm, to be honest, if only for the intriguing, if not complicated, style of living. Personally, I still like the black smith. He was pretty cool. At least, the rose was awesome in the true sense of "left in awe."


What I thought was better was just the "back to basics" feel that both places gave off. The disadvantage was that same thing. The whole "back to the basic" was not only its one redeeming quality, but it was also its own nail in the coffin.

Jessica's Post

I personal liked learning from the historic interpreter rather than the tour guide. The interpreter really acted like they would back in the time period their profression was. Learning from the interpreter was more hands on because they did have different things we could do. The tour we had was okay but i really did not care much for our guide. He really did not seem like he wanted to be there. All of the interpreters I talked to really cared about what they were doing and how they came across to people.

In a programmed tour you're taught what someone wants to teach. The guide only tells you so much about certain things. With self-discovery you can explore whatever you choose. Self-discovery allows you to spend as much or as little time as you want on anything. At Stan Hywet Hall they had to use new water proofing to stop flooding inside. Hale farm was almost exactly what it would of been like bac in the day except for some restoring to some of the rooms in the houses. I personally would have rather lived in the time period of Stan Hywet Hall because of all the new technologies that were available. In that time period people were not as busy as we are today. There was not all the hustle and bustle as there is today. I also thin that people respected others more. Today proper respect is hard to come by. The only reason I really would not want to live in that time period is the fact that women were not totally equal yet.

Stan Hywet and Hale Farm

Lienne Sethna's Journal Response

The tour through Stan Hywet was an interesting way to look at how a wealthy family would live in the early 1900s. It surprised me to find that it wasn't as easy as it would seem to own a large manor house with the best modern conveniences of it's time. The Seiberlings were the hosts of many guests and had to prepare for each one's needs and make sure they were accommodated well. I think that it would be easier to live in those times because you didn't have to try to impress your guests. The Seiberlings tried not to show off by hiding away their technology like the telephones and baggage elevator. Having such a huge plot of land could be a challenge to the owners because they would have to worry about hiring enough staff to keep the area well maintained.

Walking around Hale Farm gave me insight to how common people would have lived without the comforts we have today. The villagers who dressed in costume and told their story were a good way for me to understand how their lives depended on things we don't think that much about, like how the weather will affect the vegetables they've planted. One way life was easier in that time was the way people were dependent on themselves and their neighbors. This could be good because everyone in the village would have a strong relationship with each other. Living in this time could also be hard because if there was a bad season and the crops were bad, it would be hard for the everyone to get food.

All in all, the trip to Stan Hywet and Hale Farm was a good way to learn about the history in Cuyahoga Valley.

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Journal Requirements:

How was the experience of learning with a first person historic interpreter different from learning with an historic tour guide?

Compare the method of self-discovery to a programmed tour. In what ways have 21st Century life been imposed on these two historic places? Describe life in each time period represented and explain in which you would have been most comfortable living. Is there anything about those times that are better than ours today? What, other than modern conveniences, is worse?

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Biking the Valley this week! Don't forget to come prepared by doing your readings from the booklet, pack snack, and dress for the weather!

Stan Hywet & Hale Farm

Our last trip took us to Stan Hywet Hall & Gardens as well as Hale Farm. Here are some pictures from that event. For more images, visit our smugmug page here!

On the day of Oct. 5th i was searching for a job since i was unemployed at the time. sometime
later i was hooked up with the labor department, which was a group that was meant to help
people who were unemployed. i decided to go to a workers camp. i went there because of my
money situation i am poor. I tryed to get a job there with the bureau of forestry because my
skills and talent relate to that field. I would like to learn about forest habitats, conservation and
any thing i can do otherwise to improve the forests. and at the time i thought teddy Roosevelt
was doing a good job because of his efforts to improve economy and peoples every day lives.



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What I thought of the recent trip to cuyahoga metro parks. I thought it was a great learning
experience and it was so much fun. i had learned about the contents of rocks and the history of
the old happy days lodge. I think my favorite part of the hike was either learning about and
being in ice box cave of being/ climbing on the huge rocks to collect data and wright in our
binders. After the great hike i loved the idea to bring in Mr. Boltz, and have him teach us about
orienteering. So over all i had a great time and learned alot. :)